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lasvegas007 Says:

Aug 17, 2008 - On the contrary, there is a great deal of meaning in that verse that is lost when translated outside of ancient Greek. Catholic theology is based on the original ancient languages, not on translations. Forget what the footnotes say. Go read the original text and you should see what I am talking about.

lasvegas007 Says:

Aug 17, 2008 - LOL What "Catholics" are you hanging out with, Man? Of course, I'm not really 'Roman' Catholic, I'm Ruthenian Byzantine and thus focus much more on theosis than purgation. Sounds like your Catholic friends need to get their heads out of their asses and actually pay attention to the theology.

lasvegas007 Says:

Aug 17, 2008 - Yes, everything about salvation, but the Catholic Church concerns itself with far more than salvation. Such as developing a personal relationship with Christ, becoming more holy, avoiding sin, and for some, living entirely for God alone. Salvation is only the beginning.

lasvegas007 Says:

Aug 17, 2008 - There is plenty of scriptural evidence. Christ's message was for the world, but to his apostles, he gave more. What do you think is happening? Christ died on the cross, resurrected from the dead and God said, "Okay, I'm done. I've given these mere mortals all they need. So I'm finished talking to these humans." Obviously, not only more is required, but more is desired (from God). If what we have is enough, you and I wouldn't be fighting over this.

lasvegas007 Says:

Aug 17, 2008 - There is not one priest, bishop, or Catholic scholar that I have ever known that believed tradition trumps scripture. The Church sees each as important, and it may, under some conditions, see tradition as authoritative, but not over scripture.

lasvegas007 Says:

Aug 17, 2008 - For example, the Church once had to deal with Gnostic Christians who had a tradition (within the Church) that believed that Christ really didn't die on the cross (docetism). It was SCRIPTURE that DETERMINED the tradition was false. The Church always verifies its tradition AGAINST scripture. Not the other way around.

lasvegas007 Says:

Aug 17, 2008 - On the apocrypha, you bring up a good point to work with. God gave us the Bible, agreed? It is the Word of God, agreed? But there are literally hundreds of other Gospels, epistles, psalms, etc in addition to what is cannon. I have nearly every gnostic, apocryphal, and pseudepigraphical source and have read them all. So, ever wonder how the cannon was chosen?

lasvegas007 Says:

Aug 17, 2008 - Did God come down and tell us which books to keep, which ones to throw out? Of course not! It was decided by tradition. The Church looked at what books the faithful were reading. Which ones they liked, which ones were problematic, which ones were dubious and made a decision as to what was the Word of God. And you still think tradition is far removed from scripture when it was the ONLY authority available at one time.

edwardpf123 Says:

Aug 17, 2008 - No, God gave men spiritual gifts of discernment to know which NT Books to keep and by the end of the 1st century those books were accepted by local Christian churches. The OT books were those which were accepted by the Jew in their Canon.

edwardpf123 Says:

Aug 18, 2008 - Those of the early Church could tell if the Books were Canonical. One test was was it from an Apostle or someone close to an Apostle. Second, did it teach sound doctrine. Third, was it consistent within itself-no contradictions. The Holy Spirit guided the decisions and the Canon we have today of 66 Books is the correct one.

edwardpf123 Says:

Aug 18, 2008 - So, you are Orthodox, not Catholic? Sounds from your language it doesn't appear that your 'purgation' is working to well.

edwardpf123 Says:

Aug 18, 2008 - You clearly don't RCC theology then (which doesn't surprise me) Tradition is not stated to be above scripture, but equal to it, but since the Church is considered to be 'living', Tradition, in practice, is considered more authoritive than scripture.

edwardpf123 Says:

Aug 18, 2008 - That was a false heretical doctrine-not Tradition! Tradition has determined Transubstantiation, the Immaculuate Conception,the Assumption, the Confessional, Indulgances, etc, etc

edwardpf123 Says:

Aug 18, 2008 - Catholic theology would be based on the Latin not the Greek then. Now why don't you tell me what the Greek says that isn't in the English? Stop blowing smoke! I will have the Gr. text right in front of me when you let me know.

lasvegas007 Says:

Aug 18, 2008 - Sometimes I think you argue with me just for the sake of arguing. Of course it was a false heretical doctrine! But it was a large consideration in the early Church and became a tradition that the Church, at one point, had to decide to either keep or throw out. Scripture determined how and why the decision was reached. Just as it has with things like transubstantiation, confession, the Immaculate Conception, etc.

lasvegas007 Says:

Aug 18, 2008 - As a Byzantine Catholic, we are bound to understand both eastern and western theology. Generally, they are two sides of the same coin.The argument you presented to me was that tradition TRUMPS scripture in the RCC. Is that not was you said? It may be considered to be equal to it in some very specific ways, but it can never TRUMP scripture. The RCC cannot have a tradition that violates scripture. It is impossible.

lasvegas007 Says:

Aug 18, 2008 - I hate to break it to you, but that is exactly how the Catholic Church decides what traditions are from God and what traditions are heretical. Why would you think the Holy Spirit would just leave the Church and stop guiding us, when Christ specially leaves us the Holy Spirit until he comes again?

lasvegas007 Says:

Aug 18, 2008 - Yes, the OT books came from the Jewish cannon, but how do you think the Holy Spirit guided the Church into finding the true texts of NT Scripture? If you think it was some miraculous event, you are highly mistaken. The writings of those at the first counsel make it very clear that arguing continued throughout the proceeding until many compromises were reached. Ultimately the Holy Spirit prevailed, but it accomplished its goal through human reason.

edwardpf123 Says:

Aug 18, 2008 - LOL! No, you just don't know what you are talking about! It was never a tradition in the church. It was rejected as heresy by scripture and scripture alone, not any appeal to the church fathers or tradition.

edwardpf123 Says:

Aug 18, 2008 - A Byzantine Catholic-man you really are confused! Tradition does trump scripture and many of its practices do violate scriptures they just find a way to wrest the scriptures to make them fit the tradition. Is purgatory in any of the scriptures? I am waiting for your Greek exposition of James 2:14. I have my Greek Bible ready. Since you are such a theological genius, this should be quite easy for you.

edwardpf123 Says:

Aug 18, 2008 - I think the NT guided the selection of the NT books through spiritual gifts that existed in the first century, such as discernment. Since we have the NT books, we no longer need to figure out which books are Canonical. I gave you a list of requirements that each book had to meet in order to be even considered Canonical.

lasvegas007 Says:

Aug 18, 2008 - No, I am not confused. The eastern Church is more in union with my own practice.Purgatory was based off of one of your dreaded apocryphal texts.As for James 2:14. You tell me what it says in your Greek Bible, then we will talk about how badly Greek translates into English, and then maybe then you can tell me why the Greek James 2:14 changes the meaning.

lasvegas007 Says:

Aug 18, 2008 - Okay, as per your reply to my personal message, we will continue this discussion.

shubzilla Says:

Aug 18, 2008 - Hissy fit. Emotional spasm. Having a moment of self-desription, are we?I'd tell you a story about a speck and a plank, but you claim to already know it.

lasvegas007 Says:

Aug 20, 2008 - I have a better one: Matthew 12:36-37.