Added: Jul 22, 2008

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Gwaithmir Says:

Jul 24, 2008 - Animals do not employ reason or logic, so I don't understand the point you are trying to make in your first statement. I cannot comment on your second point unless you are more specific about theologians' "different sense for rationality".

UrosPetrovicPSY Says:

Jul 24, 2008 - This about animals was about their senses and their needs (their "world") and the sense for rationality of theologists: i mean that they live different and they developing different sense for reality 1. it comes from specific way o living 2. it comes from different viewing of "the world and living ..." this is very large theme to discuss it with few words. but just think of this: does theologists have mind or they blindly believe in what they believe? They believe in absence of their minds?

Gwaithmir Says:

Jul 24, 2008 - Theologians base their beliefs and views on dogma, opinion and conjecture. Their concepts of the soul and supernatural are products of human fantasy, nothing more.

UrosPetrovicPSY Says:

Jul 24, 2008 - Dogma? Than dogma must be crazy ...right? If that was your answer, than I'm asking you are all theologists crazy to have mindless believe based on "human fantasy"? That sound funny!

winterwinwin Says:

Jul 24, 2008 - Animals show reason and logic. If you spent half as much time with animals as I have, you'd see it.

UrosPetrovicPSY Says:

Jul 24, 2008 - I'm studying mind: we r all like computers Theresa was talking about and believe me we dont have program 4 uncovering the mystery of human life and death... we just live it or not, that's it. We cannot stop breathing on our will because some nerves just dont send signals in both sides so our organs work without our will, but with other nerves we can kill our selves or do what ever we want with our body. Ps Im still not atheist... :) I have hope or "Belief"

UrosPetrovicPSY Says:

Jul 24, 2008 - 5 days ago I received one book "Creation and Redemption" Georges Florovsky, the whole book is actually about this thing in a way how Christian theologists see it and I was amazed. I found out that, a big paradox, human body is glorified as sacred and death is seen "as catastrophe" not "freedom for our souls" . There is a sort of mystic power in Christ's death... what is obvious from the book is that all prophets were searching for this secret , not that they were believing is something

UrosPetrovicPSY Says:

Jul 24, 2008 - I agree and what I wanted to say is that their reasoning is little simpler... they don't think about immortality of soul, they have very simple perspective and believes

UrosPetrovicPSY Says:

Jul 24, 2008 - ...and that we r like animals when we come to uncovering all the secrets of the world, (they can are in the eyes of a god or angels) "what's in the box" we cannot know if we dont open it, and some boxes need hammers and e.g. hypothesis and scanners, but its interesting why we r asking our selves what we cannot know - its like the apple from bible... the answer must come out one day -second coming of Christ or Satan's kingdom (Kant had that idea) or both like from the bible... until then live on

UrosPetrovicPSY Says:

Jul 24, 2008 - :) live on like stupid computer we r HAHAHAHA thats fine with me, I have excuse for living and I can live all the things for God to solve (except things that I'm concerned of...) life is great when is good its beautiful adventure when is hard it interesting adventure .. its all about adventures at the end hahaha

neotropic9 Says:

Jul 24, 2008 - One word: evidence.

knightxd4 Says:

Jul 25, 2008 - While you are correct that anima as the root for animal does imply a soul, I find that to be an merely an unfortunate history. I use the word animal simply due to its convenience of communication and because it follows the conventions of scientific classification. Most do.A question I heard that seems to relate my view on the brain (I don't believe in a supernatural soul, colloquially I'd choose another term) is this: What happens to a computer after you turn it off?

xendingo Says:

Jul 26, 2008 - i am athiest.i think if we were just chemical and electrical we would have less personality, animals have personality too. i can't tell what is mind,soul or consciousness. but i believe in transferring of energy. when we die we remain part of nature somehow. i belive that of any animal, not just humans. we are more developed but i believe they have consciousness and end similar to us.

UrosPetrovicPSY Says:

Jul 26, 2008 - In my thought process are tones of thoughts and is very hard to see what I really think from few comments I should write a book.

iconoclastic23 Says:

Jul 27, 2008 - Your friend is really intelligent. His words sum up my feeling on the matter quite tidily.

Tacos25n28 Says:

Jul 29, 2008 - No, there is no proof of a soul. Most out of body exp are from more of a brain issue when your low on blood. Also this energy you speak of has no proof about it. Can you imagine that there is this cosmic energy? Yes you can. But it cant be proven or even shown by any study. There are many flawed and altered studies that try to prove this issue.How are calling humans animals jump to making humans have soul? We dont understand this part. The whole soul thing has never been proven. Show proof..

commonteri Says:

Jul 31, 2008 - Good luck defining soul. Bruce Cockburn sang about it quite well in "what is the soul of a man?". Aretha Franklin and Smokey Robinson have soul, so did James Brown. Good God yall! So there's proof.As a questioner I have a question for atheists. Can you prove there isn't a God or a soul? Does saying something doesn't exist just because one has no proof or personal knowledge of it mean it doesn't? Personally agnosticism seems more valid until either side can prove their concept.

Katalyzt Says:

Aug 2, 2008 - No... The reason I do not believe in anima(the soul, the spirit, ones "true self") in the theistic since because there is no evidence for/of it.Katalyzt

Elbro92 Says:

Aug 21, 2008 - bc im evil!!!

simonandtheghost Says:

Aug 22, 2008 - The ''soul'' is a concept invented by humanity at a time when we couldn't understand how the mind worked ( or what a mind was in general ). Essentially the soul is a romantic concept that people have made up to make themselves fear death a little less. Any idea that is born out of that level of ignorance is an idea that should definitely be approached with caution. Its a nice little comforting idea for people but ultimately its more than likely a load of nonsense. Besides where's the evidence??

retepvosnul Says:

Aug 24, 2008 - I do not think the soul is something you can define as a thing or a energy. What I think it is is the result of the complex "code" running in our brain. We notice ourself in a runtime environment like a application does on a OS. The soul is generally a illusion in animal terms.

amginena Says:

Aug 26, 2008 - Maybe belief in "God" depends on how narrow your definitions are. If you believe the universe has a purpose (it sure seems to have rules), maybe that could lead you to your definition of "God" or a higher power - or order. It always seemed more important to ask the questions than to find the answers. But then again, I also think the journey tends to outweigh the destination. As for the soul, I believe we're all more than merely the sum of our parts. Does that count as "soul"?

Legatou0 Says:

Aug 27, 2008 - @commonteriAtheists are agnostics, and most agnostics are atheists (though there are agnostic theists). Gnosticism pertains to what you know, Theism pertains to what you believe.Claiming to have knowledge of a god's non-existance is a lie, no one can know or prove that. However, it can be accurate to say gods do not exist in the same way we say unicorns do not exist. There are things we would expect to see from their existance, which we don't, so it's rationally founded to say that.

trueleroix Says:

Sep 12, 2008 - I don't believe in a soul because I see it as redundant. Neurochemistry explains emotion, and Neurophysiology explains our sensory input. I feel like I am only one conciousness. The idea of a soul seems like something primitive man would make up if he did not understand how our physical body manifests our consciousness.

BigAtheist Says:

Oct 9, 2008 - I don't believe in a soul for the same reason I don't believe in god... there is no evidence that it exists. moreover there is nothing in this universe that would suggest we have a soul other than our own desire to escape death. More than just god or the soul, I see nothing supernatural about our existence.