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My pseudonym is Jone CoventryEnjoy keyboarding. A convert to Catholicism. Used to be a so-called evangelical christian. i'm still trying to write an answer for why i switched to Catholic. it's lengthy. here's a short version. 1. i found bible verses shwoing that the apostles led the early christian church, and the apostles ordained more clergy ( elders and overseers ), who ordained more clergy, and so on down to the current day. 2. i found bible verses indicating that the christian church existed before the bible got written. thus the bible cannot be the authority for christian doctrine. the bible is merely an inspired book that talks about various things, including a history lesson about the early christian church. 3. i took a literal view of christ's words regarding the lord's supper. i try to take a literal view of christ's words, except when the bible says that the words are not to be taken literally, or in cases where a literal interpretation would be meaningless, or in cases where christ was using metaphoric language. 4. i decided that christian baptism was not designed to send a ,message to the on-lookers. if the only purpose of baptism were to send a message to the on-lookers, then a christian should receive numerous baptisms so that he can send a message to a larger number of on-lookers. each of the above statement put me in severe conflict with baptists and evangelicals.----------------------if you think baptism is just symbolic, then look at: in acts 22: paul ( saul ) recounts his conversion experience. his conversion of heart happened when he was on the damascus road. nevertheless, god told paul to visit ananias, and ananias told paul to get baptized and have paul's sins washed away. thus we see that paul's conversion of heart on the damascus road was not sufficient for the remission of sins. paul's conversion of heart was certainly a great thing, and it lead to his remission of sins. --------------------- also i have seen no bible verse saying something like, "baptism is a symbolic thing that should be performed on someone who has already recieved remission of sins." also christ said that people need to be born of water and spirit.. if the word "water" does not refer to the water used in baptism, then i don't know what it means. some men say that the water is the water that is on a person during the time when the person is an embryo or fetus. ( the unborn child ).. by contrast, i don't see why christ would bother to mention such a thing. why would christ mention the fact that people need to be in water at that stage of life?? also, if baptism is a way to send a message to on-lookers, then it would be good if the person receives numerous baptisms so that more and more on-lookers can receive the message. i see neither biblical nor historical evidence for christians receiving numerous baptisms, and thus i don't regard baptism as a way to send a message to on-lookers.